Author Topic: Lesbian escorts...?  (Read 15061 times)

Devious Deva

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Re: Lesbian escorts...?
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 01:38:23 AM »
That sounds very technical.

It's very easy to do. Just the way you post a thread except you need to click the 'Post new poll' instead of 'New Topic'




DancingRaindeer

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Re: Lesbian escorts...?
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 01:59:41 AM »
I guess that would cut out a whole bunch of female customers, for sure. There must be some that enjoy paying for it though? Like a power thing?

Women? Probably though this is a real power difference which women are more likely to be sensitive to from an ethical perspective. It's not the same as a fantasised exchange of power.

musca

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 08:06:59 AM »
I haven't got experience as an escort (and let's just cut the chase and call them prostitutes or whores please), although I considered it and wondered if there was a way of bypassing all the cliches of prostitution, ie just sticking to women, or whatever, until I got close enough to doing it and got involved in that world enough to realise that all of the cliches about exploitation and sleaze and grime are true.  Women, men, high-class, street-corner, junkie whore, sex-positive, queer performance artist, call it whatulike.

I did work as a stripper and found that there is a massive difference between dancing for women and dancing for men, although sometimes women can default back into the lecherous, lairy, laddish and exploitative patterns of the traditional male punter.  Likewise, some men can be highly sensitive and have no comprehension why you would take your clothes off to supposedly 'empower' yourself. 

But on the whole I think luckily the gender divides still work in our favour, and women haven't adopted the gruesome objectification of other women in the same way men have.  Yet.  Give it time, and I'm sure if dykes want it bad enough, there are plenty who'll oblige.  Oblige might and it might not be the right word.

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Re: Lesbian escorts...?
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 11:52:02 AM »
I'm sorry you've had bad experiences musca, and you're right, it can be a depressing and exploitative world to work in. A trip down the candy bar on stripper night is more than enough evidence for women's capacity for misogyny and loutish behaviour!

However, the whole tone of your post can be read as pretty dismissive towards the other women's lives you are presuming to describe, and very judgemental about decisions somebody else might make, in situations that you fully admit you haven't experienced yourself. On behalf of some very dear friends who have, I found it quite hurtful.

Also, if we must 'cut to the chase', then sex-workers is a more respectful term.

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valerie

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Re: Lesbian escorts...?
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 12:07:16 PM »
La Sirena,
   I  think Musca is just giving her perspective. In this diverse world,we have a right to our own frame of reference. You can disagree,but it's not a big deal.
      There are wealthy people who hire escorts to have arm candy,we call it, & no sex. . .just to have someone who looks good accompany them. Unfortunately, some people judge people by evaluating the appearance of their date!  Remember the movie PRETTY WOMAN?  I have some every successful gay men friends who hire escorts for conventions so they can dance & be seen with a woman. We all do what we have to do to survive. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2009, 12:19:24 PM »
I quite agree Valerie. Sorry if my post to musca came off as confrontational, I suppose I'm just quite sensitive about language in this area.

betterthanaverage

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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2009, 12:21:24 PM »
I'm sorry you've had bad experiences musca, and you're right, it can be a depressing and exploitative world to work in.

The whole tone of your post can be read as pretty dismissive towards the other women's lives you are presuming to describe, and very judgemental about decisions somebody else might make, in situations that you fully admit you haven't experienced yourself. On behalf of some very dear friends who have, I found it quite hurtful.

Also, if we must 'cut to the chase', then sex-workers is a more respectful term.

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Musca isn't addressing her comments to your "dear friends", she's answering a post from you, so why are you getting upset on their behalf? She's been in a situation where she might haven encountered opportunities to become a prostitute so I wouldn't dismiss her experiences, especially when your first post was a speculative enquiry about a situation that you haven't been through personally.

There also seems to be some doubt that women can earn a living as a prostitute that only has female clients and I've never heard of these clubs in Soho exclusively for female escorts. Surely your "dear friends" will have more information on this matter?

Offline LaSirena

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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2009, 12:33:40 PM »
Ouch!

Just to clarify, I'm not upset about musca sharing her experiences at all, and I'm really sorry if I gave that impression. I did take issue with the language she used, which I felt demonised sex workers. A lot of that demonising/victimising goes on in the world, and it usually does hit a nerve.

I have also been in situations where I could have/ did have sex or perform my sexuality for money, and while I certainly experienced some of the same things as musca, I also retain a deep respect for women who made decisions different to the ones I made.

Lastly, my original post wasn't really about whether lesbian escorts do or can exist, but about a specific scene that I know very little about, and have only heard about through one person. I was looking for other people who might have been there at the time, on more of a queer London history note, rather than a debate into the  rights and wrongs of sex work.

I'm sorry if my original post was poorly written, and I hope this clears it up.

valerie

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2009, 12:43:44 PM »
U  R cool,La Sirena.  I have  had the experience of  a couple of GB people jumping on my cerebrum because i expressed an opinion.  I am an avid fan of diversity because it's stimulating. I believe the movie INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, illustrates the consequences of a world without emotion where everyone would be in "sync" because we would all be the same. Throughout my lease on this earth, there have been people who have disagree &  with me,  & subsequently, opened my mind  to new thoughts.
Now Better than Average, if you have hit 40 , in your 20's you may remember the Ace of Clubs?  Occasionally, there would be women there who were looking for "escort" work if you were from out of the country & they thought you were lonely. You bought her a drink & shedanced & chatted....offered to meet you out  again.
       There's a myth that if you are an American who travels, that you must be wealthy...when in fact, most of us love Europe so much,especially teachers 7 professors, that we save all year to make it happen.
             In 1994, at Viva La Vie in Amsterdam, I had a woman who looked just like Donna Summer did at that time, who wanted dinner & offered her companionship as an escort to take me out all night to the various clubs. I came right out and asked her, in a diplomatic fashion, believe it or not, if she was propositioning me. Without deliberation, she replied,"no"...said she was out of work & was offering me a service. Well, at that time in my life, dinner consisted of a falafel on the street!  If it was now, time & hard work have enabled me to say "okay"!
I do not know how to spell falafel,by the way.
 We are all beautiful people with unique fingerprints, backgrounds,experiences, and this,opinions.

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Re: Lesbian escorts...?
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2009, 12:47:27 PM »
Valerie, you're marvellous. And I am very much enjoying your creative use of fonts.
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valerie

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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2009, 12:48:57 PM »
La Sirena, no more apologies...U  R cool...I am obsessed with "cake meets" and cake  talk on GB.  We don't even talk about cake around here in south Florida. I will be someone's escort for cake !!!  I have been obsessed with the cake scene on GB to the point where I am dreaming about beautiful,sweet English women baking cakes...I adore icing!

valerie

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2009, 12:57:34 PM »
I hope to see you at the GB picnic on June 25th. I will be there at the latest 5pm,as I am flying in from Dublin at 1  or so,then taking the Piccl. ine to Leicester Sq.,and strolling down to the Strand to stay  for 16 nights! I leave for Ireland on Friday or Saturday, with my lover . We will write about County Antrim & some mystical places.
   This is about my 27th time in London,twice for long term study. I have been obsessed with EUR  since I was 10 & london=my mistress. If Sam Johnson was alive,["When one grows tired of London, one grows tired of life itself"]>to paraphrase, we would argue about who loves London more... hope to meet you...I need an escort.   Just kidding!LOL ;D
I can't wait to meet everyone!

betterthanaverage

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Re: Lesbian escorts...?
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2009, 01:25:12 PM »
U  R cool,La Sirena.  I have  had the experience of  a couple of GB people jumping on my cerebrum because i expressed an opinion.  I am an avid fan of diversity because it's stimulating. I believe the movie INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, illustrates the consequences of a world without emotion where everyone would be in "sync" because we would all be the same. Throughout my lease on this earth, there have been people who have disagree &  with me,  & subsequently, opened my mind  to new thoughts.
Now Better than Average, if you have hit 40 , in your 20's you may remember the Ace of Clubs?  Occasionally, there would be women there who were looking for "escort" work if you were from out of the country & they thought you were lonely. You bought her a drink & shedanced & chatted....offered to meet you out  again.
       There's a myth that if you are an American who travels, that you must be wealthy...when in fact, most of us love Europe so much,especially teachers 7 professors, that we save all year to make it happen.
             In 1994, at Viva La Vie in Amsterdam, I had a woman who looked just like Donna Summer did at that time, who wanted dinner & offered her companionship as an escort to take me out all night to the various clubs. I came right out and asked her, in a diplomatic fashion, believe it or not, if she was propositioning me. Without deliberation, she replied,"no"...said she was out of work & was offering me a service. Well, at that time in my life, dinner consisted of a falafel on the street!  If it was now, time & hard work have enabled me to say "okay"!
I do not know how to spell falafel,by the way.
 We are all beautiful people with unique fingerprints, backgrounds,experiences, and this,opinions.

I thought you were talking about women who were paid money to be escorts as well as expecting dinner, drinks, entrance fees for clubs etc to be paid for. You don't make it clear from your experience at Viva La Vie that the woman expected you to pay a fee for her time or that sex would be involved.

Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. Women who wanted to take you to clubs and expected you to pay for everything happens all over the place, not just at the Ace of Clubs. I think that's different from paying someone for their time and the expectation of sex.

I find it rather tiresome that those women who claim to be open and "diverse" about listening to other opinions, label those women who don't agree with them as close minded.  I'm quite happy with my body and mind so invading yours would be pointless.

By the way, I didn't hit forty; I danced over that time barrier with great pleasure.

*Off to the cake meet*


valerie

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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2009, 01:36:54 PM »
Okay,BetterthanA.  Escort= a multiplicity of meanings,such as attendant,consort,friend,protector,warden... I suppose we were all referring to the word as a euphemism of sorts.  The girl in Amsterdam wanted to escort[verb] me in trade for food & drink.
   The magic  & paradox of the written word...
I  N  V  U!  I am too far away to get to the cake encounter!

fluffybunnykins

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« Reply #29 on: Jun 01, 2009, 07:54:30 AM »
I've been a phone ho and an "escort" (call-out prostitute). I've known a fuck of a lot of women in the sex trade. I've known exactly *zero* of them that ever got asked to go out to parties as arm candy. but perhaps I just haven't known that part of the up market end.

I do know plenty independant business women who run their own business of it - mostly dommes. I know a smattering of girls who have worked in brothels, mostly those who did/do call-outs and some who used to street walk.

I used to get the odd female client. And I did have two dyke clients when a very wealthy friend of mine put me in touch with someone who wanted more of a... hum... sex therapist/whore. well, that's really what half of it is anyway. lots of therapy blah blah and some screwing. people want to tell you their problems, usually about how their relationship isn't working, how lonely they are, occationally you get a sobber, occationally you get a happy non-pulsed person, but I'd actually say 50% of the job is "hostessing" and listening and dealing with people's hang ups about what they want. (they don't feel they can ask other people or their partners) But I wasn't a street walker.

Women as clients... to be totally honest? they were a pain in the ass and they never tipped.

like kitty said - waiting for only women clients one would practically starve to death. they are also notoriously cheap/frugal/expect more/trim the sides for a deal.

when I advertised on the women for women sex site, I had to take the hourly rate down that I had regularly charged to get responses.

and I got zero customers from that site. lots of interested mail, but all would bail in the end.

the only kind of actual paying female customer I got as a call-out, was bisexually curious. Mostly those who had never had sex with a women before and had very recently split from they boyfriend and most usually blotto or on the way to blotto.

I had to put one women in the recovery position before I left.

it's a glam job.

but I much preffered it to waitressing.

the women on the phone would wank till they were close to coming, call the phone line and then not want to hear any of the regular speil you gave the men about what you look like or sexy warm up talk. they has about two - three minutes before they came and they just wanted you to descrive ____. then they'd hang up. cheaper that way.

I really wouldn't turn women as customers into something they weren't. They are a hard group to get (usually nervous or short of money) a lot of work as a customer (constant reassurance of one kind of another with high demands) and they don't pay well.