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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Blythe on Today at 02:49:29 PM »
I've noticed several remarks here suggesting my thread or my views would / should be moderated.I suppose this is supposed to be some kind of threat ...
Honestly I don't give a fig if you're disappointed, Lyco, or that youre  calling me the Nigel Farage of Lexit. 
The concerted attacks on lesbians via disgusting ideas like the cotton ceiling, via homophobic remarks from trans activists towards lesbians (never gay men) and the fact that so many LGBT orgs now only seem to promote trans rights, and the fact that I sat and talked to real young lesbians experiencing these things at university, that's what keeps me speaking out.

The fear of being piled on just because you talk about these topics, called 'terf', attacked or ridiculed, that fear stops people from engaging.
I know that because posters send me pms  saying I'm brave or send me links to post but don't feel able to post themselves.
That's how silencing works. Making us nervous about stating our absolutely valid views.
Well, that attempt to put me off posting, just spurs me on.

Last night I talked to another four people who had no idea about what self id meant. They are now educating themselves and talking too.

I won't stay quiet. I won't stop posting and I'm so glad that posters such as Jules have seen and joined in the debate.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Wolfgang on Today at 02:46:10 PM »
No, Wolfie.

They have explicitly said they are going to remove the need for evidence of time spent living as that gender. That was considered objective not subjective evidence because itís evidence other than the persons personal identification which demonstrates they are transgendered. All self Id requires is that person self ids. Whether they started identifying that way only 24 hours earlier is irrelevant.
It was an example.  The above is disprovable too, provided someone declares they intend to live in their acquired gender for the rest of their life. 
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Betty Croker's frosted buns on Today at 02:35:42 PM »
No, Wolfie.

They have explicitly said they are going to remove the need for evidence of time spent living as that gender. That was considered objective not subjective evidence because itís evidence other than the persons personal identification which demonstrates they are transgendered. All self Id requires is that person self ids. Whether they started identifying that way only 24 hours earlier is irrelevant.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Wolfgang on Today at 02:29:37 PM »
Wolfie, youíre going to have to elaborate on that a bit.
Well, if the bar was at "I've been living as a man for the past two years", that declaration is self-ID in that it doesn't require external assessments, but  disprovable if somebody has e.g. seen me stand for a women's shortlist.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by PushingThru on Today at 02:27:11 PM »
Both. I was replying to you, though.

I didn't realise you would take offence, I thought it was pretty straightforward. I will challenge or clarify if I'm not clear about your point. There are quite a few things you say, that I don't understand. As for the focus being on you, I've personally addressed quite a few people on here, that's kind of normal for a discussion, and I think you're probably the first to take it personally.

Iím not massively offended or anything. I just find it a bit odd.

That's good, because none intended. The comment you made was "There seems to be some attack on me and my attributes or lack thereof" which you then clarified was in reply to me.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Madge Hooks on Today at 02:20:21 PM »
Why is it about me? There seems to be some attack on me and my attributes or lack thereof rather than countering the content of my posts, like Iím countering content of other peopleís posts.


You're not though. That's the point.

You're countering what you want or expect the content of their posts to be. Not what the content of their posts actually is.

You're arguing against the argument you want them to make, not the argument they are making.

Youíre absolutely right. Youíve highlighted my comprehension levels a couple of times and I have also raised a couple of times that Iím not entirely sure what the threads are about. I need clarity on the arguments that are being made.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Madge Hooks on Today at 02:17:48 PM »
Both. I was replying to you, though.

I didn't realise you would take offence, I thought it was pretty straightforward. I will challenge or clarify if I'm not clear about your point. There are quite a few things you say, that I don't understand. As for the focus being on you, I've personally addressed quite a few people on here, that's kind of normal for a discussion, and I think you're probably the first to take it personally.

Iím not massively offended or anything. I just find it a bit odd.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Betty Croker's frosted buns on Today at 02:09:26 PM »
Why is it about me? There seems to be some attack on me and my attributes or lack thereof rather than countering the content of my posts, like Iím countering content of other peopleís posts.


You're not though. That's the point.

You're countering what you want or expect the content of their posts to be. Not what the content of their posts actually is.

You're arguing against the argument you want them to make, not the argument they are making.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by PushingThru on Today at 02:08:09 PM »
Both. I was replying to you, though.

I didn't realise you would take offence, I thought it was pretty straightforward. I will challenge or clarify if I'm not clear about your point. There are quite a few things you say, that I don't understand. As for the focus being on you, I've personally addressed quite a few people on here, that's kind of normal for a discussion, and I think you're probably the first to take it personally.
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Discussion, Chat and Gossip / Re: Lesbian Erasure
« Last post by Madge Hooks on Today at 02:02:01 PM »
And if thereís any doubt on where I stand, itís de re all the way.
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