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Title: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Fox on Jul 07, 2018, 04:16:59 PM
You know who you are, now so does some media :-)
Bloody brilliant!

Bring pride back to our LESBIAN and gay pride MARCH.

MARCH! Not drunken hettie party time. Bring back the protesting and political activism.

Thank you so much, Slantie ( you are extremely articulate) and Blythie and Betty etc. for enlighhtening us as I thought we were up to date and werenít! ĎThatí long thread has been just brilliant.

And now some of you, have followed through with your  strong principals in a natural, peacful and public point of principal and like our suffragette sisters of the past, taken to the streets in protest! And done this with all us women in mind, thank you!

Iím so proud of  my (our) sisters at the front of london pride 2018 march. SO PROUD of you all.

Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Madge Hooks on Jul 07, 2018, 07:13:21 PM
Iím not sure if being referred to in the press as an Ďanti-trans groupí is a moment in lesbian history to be proud of.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Fox on Jul 07, 2018, 07:51:57 PM
Madge, are you KIDDING?!

Our sisters led the pride march. LESBIAN and gay pride march. The rest followed.

Shame on PinkNews for their unintelligent and male bias coverage, shame on them.

Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 07, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
It's ok Madge,  I read the leaflet with its "enforcing compulsory heterosexuality on us".  They are safely confined to Lalaland.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Madge Hooks on Jul 07, 2018, 08:09:24 PM
I would love for lesbians to lead the parade, but not like this. Not as gatecrashers and not with that message.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Betty Croker on Jul 07, 2018, 08:48:02 PM
Iím not sure if being referred to in the press as an Ďanti-trans groupí is a moment in lesbian history to be proud of.

That was the Pink News. Itís written by a couple of gay men who canít write about women without going ďeuwĒ

Unless those women happen to be Kylie or Beyoncť or transwomen.

Big high 5, Fox.

Thereís been a line drawn in the sand for lots of us, now. Weíre centring ourselves in issues and fĒck this charade of a movement that tries to make us invisible whilst speaking in our name.


Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 08, 2018, 12:22:31 AM
This would be a good time to have a functioning front page, EVicTÖ
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Lust for Life on Jul 08, 2018, 09:46:09 AM
This would be a good time to have a functioning front page, EVicTÖ

What are you saying, Wolfie? That we should have a front page coming down in support of one view or another? I think that would be the final nail in Gingerbeer's coffin, myself.

Long live discussion!

I wonder if anyone on the transactivism team noticed that the banners said transactivism erases lesbians, not transgenders erase lesbians...
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 08, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
This would be a good time to have a functioning front page, EVicTÖ

What are you saying, Wolfie? That we should have a front page coming down in support of one view or another? I think that would be the final nail in Gingerbeer's coffin, myself.

Long live discussion!

No, the front page literally doesn't function so nobody can come here and discuss What Some London Lesbians Did unless they already know we're here.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Lust for Life on Jul 08, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
^ ah, glad I asked, and glad you answered. I was barking up the completely wrong tree ;D
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: pure evil on Jul 08, 2018, 10:45:46 AM
NOT PROUD of this vile transphobic stunt, not supportive of this right wing nuisance brigade spreading hatred. NOT IN MY NAME.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Betty Croker on Jul 08, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
I wonder if anyone on the transactivism team noticed that the banners said transactivism erases lesbians, not transgenders erase lesbians...

They noticed. They're just misrepresenting what was said as usual.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 08, 2018, 11:27:13 AM
I think she's advocating for a "pile on" on Blythe, LFL from people who've never posted on here before and she would like that technologically enabled.


No, I am really really fūcking not.  Jesus.  I would like new members.  In fact I'd expect the likeliest outcome would be skimming off lezzers from MN.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Betty Croker on Jul 08, 2018, 11:42:38 AM
I think we both know what particular milkshake would be drawing all the peeps to the yard at this moment in time.

And when not only one's identity but one's location is being broadcast all over Twitter by socially responsible outfits who call themselves things like "F*ck Terfs", then our incoming hordes are more likely to be death threats from box rooms in Idaho than supportive lesbians from Mumsnet.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 08, 2018, 11:56:29 AM
I'm just disappointed that Stuff Happened involving London Lesbians and GB is semi-comatose. We might as well pack up and go home.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Betty Croker on Jul 08, 2018, 11:59:20 AM
But the only thing that has stopped GB being not comatose but only semi-comatose is this topic, no?

And obviously it would be better if the site were able to fully function generally.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 08, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
That's all I meant.

Doxxing anyone here is also not by me or in my name, for the record.

Off to sleep.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Betty Croker on Jul 08, 2018, 12:08:34 PM
I don't know what NIMN means. Now you've given me google homework. Ah, edited "Not in my name". I get it.

 Hope you get some rest.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Top on Jul 08, 2018, 12:15:54 PM
A bunch of thugs, muscling their way in front of the LGBT NHS workers who should have been leading the march.

Not in my name.

Itís also interesting to note that these thugs were lead by the same women who pulled the same stunt at Dyke March and one has been willing to organise a London Dyke March since.

Ask yourself, who is really responsible for lesbian erasure?
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Lyco on Jul 08, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
NOT PROUD of this vile transphobic stunt, not supportive of this right wing nuisance brigade spreading hatred. NOT IN MY NAME.

Obviously, I agree with the above. Thatíll come as no surprise to anyone.

I thought the whole thing was a bit Wages Due Lesbians tbh. And I donít think barging NHS workers from leading the march was particularly nice.

But one thing it did do was galvanise lesbian twitter. And not in support either. People are outraged and itís woken a lot of support for transpeople, which is really nice to see. Plus, itís shone a light on all the gender critical people who say they are not remotely transphobic at all and just concerned for women but completely support this action yesterday. Like when Katie Hopkins finally went full on white supremacist. I think a lot of people are seeing this for what it is now. Transphobia. Full on, out and proud transphobia.

I know you think you woke a lot of people yesterday and you did. But not to your agenda.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: PushingThru on Jul 09, 2018, 12:38:42 AM
My first thought about this was that it reminded me of the lesbians who protested in the 6íoclock news broadcast back in 1988. Women, and especially lesbians, have never been given anything easily. Political struggle (whether you agree or not) has always been part and parcel of the gay rights struggle. And with modern social media as it is especially - those women were brave.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Blythe on Jul 09, 2018, 08:55:13 PM
I think the vitriol we are getting on twitter rather proves our point.
Thank you to those who said we were brave. I've had many messages of support from friends I didn't realise were reading silently and have now spoken up. It means a lot.

Obviously some of you don't approve of our protest. And that's your right, as it is ours to say to LGBT orgs that they are not protecting or supporting lesbians.

Many of you know me, but I trust that you wouldn't use personal information to damage me or put me in danger.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Gothic on Jul 10, 2018, 09:16:52 PM
The rot set in with ďqueerĒ politics years ago. Thereís little point in trying to debate with people who only make selfish demands and have no concern for or interest in anyone but themselves.

The fact that they are supported by weak, sycophantic band-wagoners who are all too quick to forget the unconditional support given to them during various campaigns by the same lesbians they now demonise in their sickening desperation to appease trans activists makes a sad spectacle but itís the predictable state weíre in now. Personally, I got the ĎLí out years ago. I will always fight the corner of anyone facing discrimination, bullying or violence of any kind when I see it in my daily life, but as an individual lesbian with my own very clear understanding of and pride in my identity as I choose to define it. I avoid the so called lbgtq + Ďcommunityí and its mind boggling inability to accomplish anything except public implosion like the plague!
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Slantrhyme on Jul 11, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
 Only just seen this. Thank you for the shout out Fox. I wasnít at the march on Saturday unfortunately, but if I had been there I would have been cheering Blythe and her fellow protesters.
 I think itís a sad indictment  when lesbians are vilified for protesting about lesbian erasure at a pride march. I responded to a gay man on the Oxford pride Facebook earlier who said they should have been told to sod off. That says it all really, lesbian erasure in one short comment.
 The thing is about a protest, is that not everybody agrees with it. Thatís why itís a protest.  Pride is a political event, not just a corporate  glittery rainbow unicorn celebration party. It is exactly the right place for lesbians to protest if they feel that their identity is being aggressively erased. The fact that certain other members of the LGBT community donít agree is neither here nor there, and being told to shut up and fuck off exactly demonstrates their point.
Wolfie thinks we should have a front page announcing that some of the protesters post on here. Well Wolfie, Iíve been knocking around these Internet circles too long to unintentionally misconstrue your request. None of us are daft, we know exactly what you mean. The fact that the small number of genderists on here havenít managed to drive us off is because we are determined, we know our onions, and we wonít be silenced. This message board is specifically for lesbians and bisexual women and they are free to join if they wish. It is a space specifically for us, not for any random keyboard warrior nutjob looking for an opportunity to abuse lesbian and bisexual women. Itís worth remembering that these misogynistic arseholes youíd like to invite on here will back you for a bit, until you say something they donít like, or until they have no more use for you, then theyíll drop you and stamp on you just the same as the rest of us. Youíre playing with fire if you want to do that, and you will get burnt.         
   
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 11, 2018, 08:47:17 PM
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Wolfie thinks we should have a front page announcing that some of the protesters post on here.

No, I don't, and I apologize if that's how it read.  IMO my fellow GBer was gutsy but misguided, but I do not want to see her doxxed, piled on or pilloried. 

I am not gutsy.  My mental and physical health is extremely fragile at the moment and I can't type any more on the subject so I'm going to pull the sick card and implore you to leave me out of this.  You can kick my head in in a few weeks if I'm still in one piece.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: PushingThru on Jul 11, 2018, 09:01:55 PM
Don't let it affect your health, Wolfgang. This is a message board, don't let that affect your real life wellbeing. Nothing is worth sacrificing health for. :)
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Betty Croker on Jul 11, 2018, 09:21:54 PM
I echo that. Take care of your health and get whatever rest you need, Wolfie.

People should be able to disagree about this stuff without making each other ill.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 11, 2018, 09:28:15 PM
:D Thank you xx
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Slantrhyme on Jul 12, 2018, 01:32:01 AM
Wolfie, iím sorry if I came off nasty. That wasnít my intention. People like you, and me, vulnerable women,  are the first under the bus if these misogynistic arseholes get their way. I donít think youíre a bad person. I think you like being a goady fucker sometimes, and some of what you write is utter bollocks, but I donít think youíre an abusive malevolent twat like some I could name.
 Walk away and concentrate on your head and your health for a bit. Itíll all still be here when you get back.
 Look after yourself x     
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Wolfgang on Jul 14, 2018, 04:18:44 AM
IMO my fellow GBer was gutsy but misguided

[Having remembered that trans people actually exist and indeed I've known and variously adored a few of them I must apologise for my impartiality back there.]
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: valerie on Jul 14, 2018, 07:04:48 PM
Basic problem,IMO, too many labels.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: valerie on Jul 16, 2018, 10:45:22 AM
Basic problem,IMO, too many labels.

Where do you draw the line?

categorically>human
the rest is personal and individual.
Think about anyone with whom you may have kissed or sexual liaisons---weren't they all unique?
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: સરસ on Jul 18, 2018, 02:44:38 PM

Think about anyone with whom you may have kissed or sexual liaisons---weren't they all unique?

They were absolutely unique and  they were born with vaginas..  ;)
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Lust for Life on Jul 19, 2018, 04:57:37 PM

Think about anyone with whom you may have kissed or sexual liaisons---weren't they all unique?

They were absolutely unique and  they were born with vaginas..  ;)

They were all unique and of the four people I regret or didn't enjoy snogging, three were men and one was a Spanish woman with a cold sore (which I didn't see till the next day and she failed to mention). I only add the Spanish in case any non-Spanish ex with cold sores ever reads this and thinks I regret kissing them.

That's three out of three for the men, then, and one out of many for the women.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Trifle on Jul 21, 2018, 11:43:59 AM
NOT PROUD of this vile transphobic stunt, not supportive of this right wing nuisance brigade spreading hatred. NOT IN MY NAME.

Obviously, I agree with the above. Thatíll come as no surprise to anyone.

I thought the whole thing was a bit Wages Due Lesbians tbh. And I donít think barging NHS workers from leading the march was particularly nice.

But one thing it did do was galvanise lesbian twitter. And not in support either. People are outraged and itís woken a lot of support for transpeople, which is really nice to see. Plus, itís shone a light on all the gender critical people who say they are not remotely transphobic at all and just concerned for women but completely support this action yesterday. Like when Katie Hopkins finally went full on white supremacist. I think a lot of people are seeing this for what it is now. Transphobia. Full on, out and proud transphobia.

I know you think you woke a lot of people yesterday and you did. But not to your agenda.

If itís true there are more people on Twitter you say have ďwokenĒ itís just that people who hold the views you claim to support are far more likely to see it as acceptable to shout abuse, and they arenít in fear of being silenced through death threats or other threatened abuse if they openly state their views. Says it all really.

And seeing problems in some of the ideas in trans activism isnít transphobia.

Iím impressed at the bravery of the lesbians at Pride. What a strong statement to make that we wonít be intimidated and silenced about this.
Title: Re: To my fellow sisters
Post by: Trifle on Jul 21, 2018, 11:44:56 AM
^ I tried to post that quite a while ago but got locked out of my account as must have mistyped the password too many times.