Gingerbeer.co.uk - Messageboards

In Depth or in Distraction => Mind, Body, Spirit => Topic started by: outoforder on Dec 30, 2014, 10:16:50 AM

Title: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Dec 30, 2014, 10:16:50 AM
Broad question, Iet's see...
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: horse on Dec 30, 2014, 11:03:30 AM
Are you referring to the fantasy of any form of peace on the GB forum,
Or the realistic possibility of World Peace in the next week or so ?
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Dec 30, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Funny enough, GB didn't even figure.

I was thinking of peace generally on earth.

I was thinking peace of mind on an individual basis.

I think peace on earth is a Star Trek fantasy. Heck, with all that peace on earth, they had to find all manner of aliens to fight to keep the viewing figures high. Even the hippy dippy Star Trekkers (like me) seemed to enjoy the conflict. A strange way maybe of saying there is little hope of world peace.

Peace of mind can be achieved at times. This could hardly be a constant, what with the whirl of the world, but certainly moments may occur with a openness to it.

So in this mad, conflict driven world, moments of peace are possible.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Dec 30, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
May the new year bring hell....
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Jaques on Dec 31, 2014, 01:57:40 PM
...................I  feel that world peace is possible, it needs to start with our own inner peace which comes  from  learning  love ourselves with all our  human failings, which in turn teaches us to understand others and feel compasion for mankind as a "whole" and if we can achieve that, then we see no one as "the enemy".............result, peace and happiness

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE ;D
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: InMyHoodie on Jan 07, 2015, 06:51:48 PM
I doubt it, the government is a corrupt b!tch.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Feb 03, 2015, 05:41:31 PM
no. even the australopithecine primate fought. Tyranassaurus Rex  destroyed  themselves.

...................I  feel that world peace is possible, it needs to start with our own inner peace which comes  from  learning  love ourselves with all our  human failings, which in turn teaches us to understand others and feel compasion for mankind as a "whole" and if we can achieve that, then we see no one as "the enemy".............result, peace and happiness

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE ;D

I wish. Don't we all wish for Jacques statement. Happy New Year,Jacques.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: scouser on Feb 03, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
It's looking a lot less likely now unfortunately, just want to say how absolutely speechless I am watching the news, no words for this really, just none, going off line for a bit.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Slantrhyme on Feb 03, 2015, 06:21:45 PM
In answer to the thread title, not in this house, no.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Feb 05, 2015, 09:59:57 PM
there are  micro  & macrocosms of  non-peace
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: scouser on Feb 05, 2015, 11:23:21 PM
Deleted- tasteless,  :(
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Feb 07, 2015, 06:45:04 PM
no
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Feb 10, 2015, 02:53:46 PM
like there is a sun  & moon, day and night, I believe, as Aristotle did, there will always  be good  and  evil. Moreover, the  gravest of evil,megalomania

The Koch brothers  in the USA are worth 66 billion  & do everything to avoid or lower what they have in taxes.

I think $$$$/££££    will always  be a problem
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Feb 13, 2015, 03:17:21 PM
Not world peace, no. But that doesn't mean that peace can't exist in some areas (thankfully!).
Peace of mind? Yes.. but hard to achieve. In my view. But I do believe some people definitely get there.
lemonflower,I agree. That's  what I meant in a previous  post about microcosms.  WE can build  our own little networks of peace. Macrocosmically,   there are just too many greedy, megalomaniacs
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Feb 16, 2015, 09:50:02 PM
This is a terrible thread.

Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Jaques on Feb 18, 2015, 12:11:30 PM
This is a terrible thread.

....terrible in what respect? 

as we have all been born on this earth from one another biologically and if you believe in reincarnation, to be with those we were with in one relationship or anotherin order to work out "unfinished business".  Whether we are educated or ignorant, rich or poor, every person, every nation in fact is interdependant,  all seeking happiness as we at that time in our spiritual development, see it, no one wants to suffer the indignities pain and oppression we witness day after day in our streets and watch from afar as people torture, kill and maim one another, using religion or their version of truth to justify it.
I feel this is the result of seeing ourselves as separate - many of us dont even talk to our immediate neighbours, the old die from lack of warmth both mental and physical.  I think what we have to see is that we are all "in it" for the same reason - theres enough food stockpiled on various parts of this planet to feed everyone.  Theres enough land to live comfortably instead of drawing lines on a map like the old british empire where i was taught as a child with the teacher pointing to africa/india - "all these pink bits are ours" - now they moan because those people whose countries we "civilised" have british passports and actually dare to live in "our country" - theres karma for you. ;)
in order for me to wear the shirt im wearing, someone in another country planted & picked the cotton - someone else wove it into material, someone else died it - someone else made the machinery/cotton/buttons to put it together, someone sold it..............etc. .etc.  Just like that, we all need one another - or we dont get to shop so cheaply at Primark ;)
 Therefore is it really so unrealistic to accept our interdependance?  and if you think about it, the best form of self interest is being more considerate to the "others" who we need in order to live our lives in comfort - that way we take care of ourselves and others at the same time and all benefit - yeh?  and thats just one small example of how possible peace COULD be :)
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: scouser on Feb 18, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
Well said J, but I think she meant it's terrible because it's a bit boring, depending on how you see this site, not very uplifting or topical, maybe everyone is so depressed at current news stories, events, they just don't wish to discuss, or read stuff on here, it can be a little dismal I suppose.
But just picking up on some of your points, I was actually thinking about the irony of the current situation myself last night, i.e.; the terrorist attacks, and yes, the apparent threat inside our country now, also.
The passport thing you said, yes, the youth of the generations that indeed managed passage to this, and other countries after serving our country during the war, seem to be fighting what they now feel is their cause,/ war,in their way from the inside, irony heh! :(
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Grey on Feb 18, 2015, 12:36:37 PM
Jaques that is an excellent thought provoking post

Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Feb 25, 2015, 08:03:03 PM
Jaques that is an excellent thought provoking post
ditto!!
whoever thinks  this is a boring thread...no problem . I think there are about 70 others  to read  & participate
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Feb 25, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
I said it was a *terrible* thread.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Mar 01, 2015, 03:13:03 PM
Peace<no.
Give me one century that we have recorded in our history books that was without war, slavery or torture?

Yet, we have  had spiritual leaders, benevolent despots,etc and how much did that help?

We are only capable  of  building our own microcosms as far as sharing peace with others & on an individual level,finding inner peace  by accepting & changing what needs to be changed…yes, inner peace.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: braveandcrazy on Mar 02, 2015, 01:41:31 PM
I asked my 13y.o this.  And he said No.  Because humans are aggressive.  Because humans have always fought.  Because there's always an idiot in government.  Because humans like power.  And money.  And because each religion thinks their's is the best.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Jaydee on Mar 10, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Firstly, Jacques, I thought your post was spot on.  In answer to the original question, I believe peace is possible but only if we accept and live in our own reality accepting ourselves as we are and accepting others in the same way, without the need to impress our beliefs upon them or try to get more than the person next to us, to the point where the only way we can win is to kill them. 

Personally, I could never believe in a God that is capricious enough to only love those who love Them in one way and only believe certain things about Them.  All of the religious wars have happened out of a wish for some to force their beliefs upon others, believing their belief to be right and to be working for the good of God.  To me, if you believe the same as me, cool.  If you don't also cool, I'll see you in heaven anyway.  I fully expect to see friends of Muslim, Christian, Seikh, Jewish, Druid, Hindu and no faith, in heaven. 

It is not me who decides but God, so I am not going to waste my time fighting with anyone else about it.  If you wish to chop my head off because I don't believe the same as you, then so be it.  I could be wrong in my beliefs and so could others in theirs. 
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Mar 12, 2015, 01:48:18 PM
I said it was a *terrible* thread.
as in terror?
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: mint on Mar 13, 2015, 09:08:46 PM
in terms of little pockets of peace, do you believe some communities can live peacefully or do they all end up with similar problems eventually? i mean like the small communities without large numbers of people (like some of the eco communities).
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: scouser on Dec 17, 2015, 12:22:23 AM
Let's hope so.....however.....it could take more than one miracle! :-\
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: silverchic on Dec 17, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
Only inside my house in quiet moments with my cats for company.

Out there its a cruel hard and uncaring rat race which I no longer have the energy for.

I show my caring by giving to various charities, there is nothing else I can do about world problems only pray.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: valerie on Mar 18, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
I asked my 13y.o this.  And he said No.  Because humans are aggressive.  Because humans have always fought.  Because there's always an idiot in government.  Because humans like power.  And money.  And because each religion thinks their's is the best.
13????? quite intelligent!
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: scouser on Mar 25, 2016, 01:02:34 AM
I think it is, if we ALL really try our very best!
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: silversoul on Mar 25, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
It's a great shame that we fight amongst ourselves in the communities we live in when we should/could all be uniting against the common enemy of terrorism. The world today is so full of hate and it saddens me so.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: scouser on Mar 25, 2016, 10:45:25 PM
^ this! :-\
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Earl on Mar 26, 2016, 08:52:05 AM
I asked my 13y.o this.  And he said No.  Because humans are aggressive.  Because humans have always fought.  Because there's always an idiot in government.  Because humans like power.  And money.  And because each religion thinks their's is the best.
13????? quite intelligent!

This boy's thinking makes me so sad. i hopes he gets to see a bit of the world to counteract the crap he has heard/been taught/picked up from social media crazies/political manipulators.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Musette on Mar 28, 2016, 10:13:03 PM
I think he's right though. It sounds crap but that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Sure, there are lots of examples of kindness and compassion and generosity in the world, but there is always someone waiting to pick a fight for some reason. I don't believe that will ever change.

Also, I happen to know 'this boy' and he is a delight. A thoughtful and caring young man who would make any parent proud.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Mar 28, 2016, 10:46:09 PM
He's right.

The gentle souls usually are.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: lil_moomin on Apr 22, 2016, 10:24:36 AM
It makes me sad too - that there's enough crap out there to make people think like that.

I do kind of agree with Earl that social media, TV and so on magnifies it completely.

But I think even in isolated tribes and villages, there still would be aggression, fighting and idiots in power. Is it just human nature for any kind of community to be like that? What about monks... they live in relative peace apparently. So maybe you can have isolated peaceful communities.

Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Lydia on May 14, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
It goes back to prehistoric times, when tribes had to distinguish between one another, so that their precious food wasn't stolen away.

So they learnt to delineate one tribe's members from the others, which would have impacted upon their brain processes and evolved along the natural selection route.

That's why humans etc learnt to categorise people into boxes, using stereotypes as a form of shorthand to judge others.

It's quite clever what the brain can do when pushed to it. You wonder at times that, should there be a God(good question, should there?), then what kind of brain structure would 'He' have, to have created what must evidently be a 'pared down' version of his own in human form...?

Blimey, what thoughts must go through his brain, and how do they present themselves to him? Imagine him doing the equivalent of a 'Hamlet' moment? 'To be or not be...?' What a fascinating guest he would be at a dinner party...?!
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Vickilipstick on Mar 17, 2017, 11:51:46 PM
I believe that testosterone is the root of a lot of the worlds problems!
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Xof the Elder on Apr 15, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
Did you know, that people whose index and fourth fingers are roughly about the same size had more testosterone wash over them as babies than those with shorter fourth fingers?

I did.

Also, all babies start life as fish, with gills.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: hellohowareyoutoday on Apr 15, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
Did you know that the technique of counting on your fingers differs from culture to culture? e.g. which finger they start with, if they start with fingers up or down.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Xof the Elder on Apr 15, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
No, I didn't know it. Where can I learn more about this and can I subscribe to your newsletter?
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: hellohowareyoutoday on Apr 15, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
Text disjointedtrivia to 30080 to sign up.

Or otherwise, this article is quite interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger-counting
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: outoforder on Apr 15, 2017, 10:20:25 PM
Did you know that the technique of counting on your fingers differs from culture to culture? e.g. which finger they start with, if they start with fingers up or down.

I always start with the middle finger. And let it linger.
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: hellohowareyoutoday on Apr 15, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
That's as good a technique as any. No ethnocentrism here.  :P
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Xof the Elder on Apr 15, 2017, 10:23:38 PM
Text disjointedtrivia to 30080 to sign up.

Or otherwise, this article is quite interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger-counting

I can't read. But I did find this. It's on another topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Io7rAMEWo
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: hellohowareyoutoday on Apr 15, 2017, 10:26:22 PM
Interesting, but that has not been my experience.  :o
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: Xof the Elder on Apr 16, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
Do you have a lot of experience with Chinese people counting?

Well Jell.  >:(
Title: Re: Is peace possible?
Post by: hellohowareyoutoday on Apr 16, 2017, 04:46:43 PM
I know my Saffers, Spaniards, and Australians, and they don't count in such ridonkulous ways!